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Eagle interview with Cobble Hill playwright Anna Ziegler on her new play ‘Actually’

June 27, 2017 By Peter Stamelman Special to the Brooklyn Daily Eagle
Anna Ziegler. Photo: Will Miller
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The playwright Anna Ziegler possesses one of the boldest and most distinctive voices in contemporary American theater. Her masterful depictions of what was once colloquially called “the battle of the sexes” are as compelling and nuanced as anything Henrik Ibsen wrote or Ingmar Bergman directed. In the midst of wariness and misunderstanding, she is able to find moments of grace and tenderness. In her 2015 play “Photograph 51,” which was produced on the West End in a heralded production starring Nicole Kidman as the English scientist Rosalind Franklin, whose central, indispensable role in the discovery of DNA was shamefully marginalized by James Watson and Francis Crick, Ziegler could easily have portrayed Franklin as a martyr. Ziegler scrupulously avoids that cliche.

Similarly, in her new play “Actually,” which opens Aug. 9 at the Williamstown Theatre Festival in a co-world premiere production between Williamstown and the Geffen Playhouse in Los Angeles, Ziegler’s characters Amber and Tom, two students at the center of a date rape incident on Princeton’s campus, are not merely social case studies, but fully realized, complicated individuals. Buried just below the surface of their banter and posturing is longing and sadness, which Ziegler is astute enough not to italicize. And there is no tidy ending that wraps everything up. As with the classic Akira Kurosawa film “Rashomon,” we are left not knowing where the truth resides. And, anyway, whose truth would it be? At the beginning and at the end of “Actually”, Amber and Tom play a game called “Two Truths and a Lie.” The first time it’s played as a lark, the second time the stakes are much higher.

Below are edited excerpts from a recent email interview with Ziegler.

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Brooklyn Eagle: Amber and Tom are interesting name choices. One of the definitions of amber is a cautionary signal between green for go and red for stop. And could there be a more freighted name for an African-American male than Tom? Is “Actually” an embedded cautionary tale for the “trigger warning” generation?

Anna Ziegler: To your embedded question, I’ll say a shaky yes — though I’m not sure it’s a typical sort of cautionary tale, in that the traps Amber and Tom slip into are not necessarily ones they could have avoided, even with forewarning, since they have to do with the deepest parts of these two people’s souls, their very natures. But I think, perhaps, the play could be interpreted as a message to the trigger warning generation that no space, however well-guarded, can be perfectly safe — not a classroom or a college campus, and certainly not the spaces in our hearts and minds. We are all capable of being our best and worst selves at any time, depending on the circumstances. As for the characters’ names — you might be onto something…

 

Eagle: Did you know from the start the male figure would be African-American? It certainly raises the ante.

AZ: Or maybe we should ask whether I knew from the start that the female character would be white! Either way, the honest answer is that I just started hearing these two characters; they started talking to me and to each other, as cheesy as that sounds. It was only after I wrote a quick first draft (in about a week at a writer’s retreat at the Lark Play Development Center) that some of the political implications became clear to me. And I liked that the play seemed to have the potential to unsettle audience members by asking them to assess a situation where both characters fall into categories of people that normally accrue sympathy from your typical (liberal) theatergoer — women who may have been sexually assaulted and black men who may have been unfairly accused. I hoped that this would force audiences to examine their own knee-jerk reactions and really listen to the play.

 

Eagle: Tom and Amber are freshmen — yet on your “Characters” page of the play you list their ages as early-mid 20s. Are they looking back from a distance on these events?

AZ: Oh, I think that was just an acknowledgement of the reality that in professional productions these characters will likely be played by slightly older actors. It’s a play that requires heavy-lifting on the part of its performers and while I’m sure there are 18-year-olds out there who could do it, I imagine many producers will decide to lean on more experienced actors to take on these difficult roles. Also, yes, the characters are looking back at the events from a distance — though that stretch of time is kept intentionally vague so that the play can maintain its immediacy and urgency.

 

Eagle: From “Rashomon” to David Mamet’s “Oleana” to Philip Roth’s “The Human Stain” the mutability of truth is rich terrain for artists. What prompted you to enter the fray?

AZ: As you say, it’s rich terrain. And I’ve been drawn before to stories that examine the nature of the truth, where multiple perspectives reveal the impossibility of a single definitive version of events. But in this case, I’ve taken things a step further — now even my two characters aren’t sure of their own personal truths — they don’t know if they’re truth-tellers or liars, good or bad. And I was really interested in investigating what led these two to the moment in question — how society and personality converge to create a combustible mix of self-doubt and the desire to fit in, and how, as a result, good people can end up compromising themselves and others. I was also really intrigued by the idea of trying to determine truth at the dicey, charged intersection of race and gender, where biases abound.

 

Eagle: I read that your husband is a lawyer at NYU who handles litigation and student affairs — was he helpful to you in writing the play?

AZ: Yes, he was! He could tell me when things felt less realistic and let me know about the sorts of questions that might come up in such a hearing.

 

Eagle: At the end of “Actually,” is the “feather that falls from above right in between Amber and Tom” comparable to Woody Allen’s netted, teetering tennis ball at the end of “Match Point”?

AZ: I clearly need to rewatch that movie now … But without remembering it precisely, I would say you’re probably right that the symbolism is similar. The idea that the tiniest whispers of fate can create huge winds in our lives…

 

Eagle: In “Photograph 51” Gosling says, “For a moment everything stopped. Different ways our lives could go hovered in the air around us …And then there was only one way everything would go.” Could that summation also be applied to Amber and Tom?

AZ: Yes, I think it could in some respects. Amber and Tom probably have a moment after which there was no going back. That being said, that moment for Amber and Tom is hazy, and might well have been a series of moments, and really, the play suggests, their entire lives were the moment on which everything hinged. So, yes and no?

 

Eagle: Amber’s dorm-mate Heather and Tom’s roommate Sunil serve as catalysts. Did their roles evolve through various drafts or did you have them playing these crucial roles from the beginning?

AZ: I think those two important offstage characters’ roles were in place from the first draft. But I did continue to work on how much Amber is under Heather’s thumb, influenced by her and by the need to impress her, and the extent to which Sunil crosses a line with Tom.

 

Eagle: Date rape and sexual misconduct seem to be peculiarly American college campus issues. I can’t imagine the Sorbonne or Oxford or Cambridge having an “Office of the Vice Provost of Institutional Equity and Diversity.” (And I know you were being deliberately satirical.) Can you recall any of these issues arising when you were getting your MA at the University of East Anglia? Do you think that’s because European universities aren’t the cauldron of class and race and gender that American universities are?

AZ: I actually wasn’t being satirical; that post exists at Princeton, with that precise title. So, unless our current times are a satire of themselves (and around that, the jury is always out) I wasn’t being deliberately anything. And to answer your question, I wasn’t aware of any of these issues in England when I was getting my MA, but then again, I wasn’t super aware of them as an undergraduate at Yale 15 years ago. So, either things have changed considerably or I was pretty blind to what was going on, or probably both.

 

Eagle: We live in an aggrieved society — everybody’s pissed off at somebody else, and we have a loutish, demagogic president who only fans the flames of this discontent (and who, himself, boasted about sexual misconduct.)  It seems impossible to escape the subject of date rape — every day brings news of another UVA, Stanford, St. Paul’s. Where do we go from here?

AZ: I wish I knew. Certainly, there are many schools and universities that are doing their best to combat sexual assault on their campuses. However, one of the things the play explores are the inherent limitations in a school’s ability to reach a wholly satisfactory determination of the truth of what happened between two people. I’m not sure what that means in terms of how these cases ought to be adjudicated, but it’s something to think about, as is what standard of proof should be employed. And then there’s alcohol, which I think plays an outsized role in some of these cases, and not necessarily in the ways you might expect. I’m certainly not opposed to drinking (no playwright is, especially during previews of his/her own play) but it obviously impairs people’s judgment and the ability to read a partner’s cues and signals — the breakdown of which can lead folks into dangerous territory. And I don’t know that schools can or have the will to crack down on underage drinking.

 

Eagle: Let’s close on a completely different subject: You are a daughter of Brooklyn through and through — raised, educated and currently residing in the borough. What do you love about Brooklyn?

AZ: It’s true — I grew up in Cobble Hill and Brooklyn Heights and have now come full circle and live in Cobble Hill again. I even dragged my husband, a lifelong Manhattanite, to our borough, and now he claims he would never live anywhere else. We love it here! As far as diversions go, mine have changed a fair bit since having kids … Before I had kids I would’ve named our most-frequented restaurants and bars (Rucola, Iris Café, Henry Public, Bar Tabac) or Lily, my favorite shop on Court Street, but after having kids I can mostly be found (in the warmer months) just walking around our neighborhood and the ones nearby, or in Cobble Hill Park or Pierrepont Playground or Brooklyn Bridge Park or Carroll Park, which, on summer evenings, with or even without ice cream, really are pretty close to perfect.  

“Actually” is at the Williamstown Theater Festival Aug. 9-20 and starts previews Oct. 31 with a Nov. 14 opening at the Manhattan Theater Club. For more information, go to wtfestival.org and manhattantheatreclub.com.

 


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